The Soapbox Is Getting Rained On

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Put Down Your Weapon 

Yesterday I opened up our Paltalk room for quite awhile, and though we had a pretty good crowd of folks (for the most part), I saw a prevailing theme that concerns me greatly. Infighting. Much of what was being spoken were tautologies. Unfortunately, Paltalk is known for this, where every Christian (hyperbole) is a theologian and if you disagree with them, you disagree with, the Bible. I’ve seen it over and over again in the past 5 or so years that I’ve been on Paltalk. Often it’s the Arminianism verses Calvinism debate, as was the case last night. Years ago I used to get into this particular debate but I don’t anymore, and for two main reasons. One is that I’m neither a Calvinist nor an Arminist. I think the extremes of both can be dangerous in my opinion. On the extremes, one side says God destined certain folks to Hell while the other says that the moment you sin, your salvation is in question. The second reason is that I don’t generally like to debate Christians.

I would rather put my focus and energy into reaching out to the lost rather than spending hours debating on how we are saved/justified, in front of non believers that are watching the “show”. Seeing such behavior reminded me of why -well one of the reasons why- that I never wanted to be a Christian in the first place. I’ve heard it been said, that the Christian army is the only army that shoots at its own. Sometimes I actually believe that, sadly. At times, it’s a little more than just iron sharpening iron. The constant bickering, whining, backstabbing, gossiping, etc wasn’t all that appealing to me. But to be fair, it would be a broad paintbrush stroke for me to say that this was everyone. We as Christians need to learn when to pick our battles (me included) and when to put down the sword. Yes, pride may get in the way and compel us to prove everyone wrong when we know “we’re right”, but perhaps it’s wise to resist that urge in the company of non believers. It might be a better idea to keep our contentions/disputes “in house”, and use our honed apologetics skills for those who need it most; the lost.

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About Razor Swift

Rich Christian who is the founder of Razor Swift, seeks to open hearts and minds through the platform of apologetics. It's his desire to approach Biblical, faith, and other issues from a different perspective rather than just preaching to the choir in the Christianese dialect. He maintains that faith and reason mustn’t necessarily be at odds with each other, but can be complementary. May no stone lay unturned.
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8 Responses to The Soapbox Is Getting Rained On

  1. John says:

    The saddest part is that most who are evangelizing have completely forgotten the balance between the needs of the lost and the needs of the saved. Thats why the churches are filled with sheeple and thoise being utterly unable to defend their faith, live like carnal minded souls because they are. It does not MATTER how many make a profession of faith and then go right back into the world and live like the devil or worse , think they are masters and can teach doctrines they don’t even understand. OSAS is false as rom 11: 17-23 make plain. it’s a shame to the churches that they want sheeple and not spiritualy mature men and women because then they can’t get away with the easy believism and money making schemes they are playing on the people. To get those kinds of men and women you actualy have to disciple them and teach them how to walk with god.

    • razorswift says:

      Unfortunately, the churches are full of sheeple, as you correctly have stated. But again, that’s how the pimpin’ pastors get away with what they do. Thank you for your comment.

  2. Paul Buller says:

    I wish to offer one clarifying thought. We ought to do more than just clean up our act “in front of other,” we should always treat each other with respect regardless of whether or not a non-Christian is watching. And, of course, we should treat unbelievers and those in the “cults” with the same respect to.

    And the simplest way to improve our actions is to improve our heart on the issue. I dare suggest that those who snipe at each other like that have an unresolved sin issue in their life; a sin in their hearts and minds that is expressed in word and deed. At least that’s how it used to work in my own life.

    • John says:

      Let me give you the called of God Teachers perspective on this: Christianity makes a exclusivity claim: to have the only “truth” the only “way” and the ONLY “life”. Either that’s true on all points or it is not true on ANY of them. And i CAN agree with Paul in that “we are to be respectful to all”, with the caveat that is until its time to not be nice. My concern is the ecumenical spirit and emergent church attempt to destroy the patristic nature of the scriptures in a attempt at consensus and dialectical thinking. http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/dialectic-didactic-gotcher.htm please read that web site to understand this issue it not very long.
      Jesus when it became time to break the self imposed blindness off of the eyes of the self righteous and false teachers used some of the most offensive terminology you could have used against a Pharisee. Vipers and tombs and sons of Lucifer were the most offensive and defiling things they knew. The semantic equivalent today i would blush to even suggest. A person needs to be Spirit led to know when the time is to speak directly and forcefully to someone about their sin.
      The effeminate Christ of modern liberalism and ecumenicism says >”Im OK you’re OK” and seeks consensus and it does so in a feigned way. And this in contradiction to 2 Cor. 6:14-18 and the examples shown by peter in 2 pet chapter 2 and Paul in Gal 2 when confronting Peter. as well as other examples in scriptures both OT and NT. The antichrist is seeking to establish a new paradigm under post modernism tactics of undermining the established order via information leavening with a effeminate picture of Jesus and out roles as MEN. We have been so inundated by the beatific picture of Jesus, that most of us are afraid to show any Godly righteous anger at the wicked sinner or the wicked teacher (Let them be accursed! Modern language would say: Send them to hell!) Does that shock you? Well that’s what Paul said about bringers of false Gospels, TWICE!
      Let me bring this home by saying that LOVE is only half the expression of God’s Character. The Other half can be defined as : “A Consuming fire”. Righteous indignation against those who refuse the truth, causing harm to the lambs, is a natural expression For those who are patristic. It is the violation of the Doctrine of Christ that brings forth this response. WE as MEN were specifically created by GOD in our brain structure to be less emoting and more discerning of the truth claims so that as Good soldiers we can exercise the proper judgment on those who would not spare the flock, but bring their pernicious ways and thereby cause some faith to be shipwrecked. 1 Tim. 1:9 We as good SOLDIERS, must use our abilities as MEN to defend the truth and not be men pleasers. Is your paradigm of how we are to act as men lopsided?
      You might also want to consider the mechanism of post modernism redaction of the truth as revealed in this great video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHjpgsh_TZ8 Niles Eldrige video of the cult of the emergent church. They Look like us , they sound like us, they even pay lip service to the creeds , but teach wildly errant doctrines handling the word of God in wickedness and as if they OWN it.
      John

      • Paul Buller says:

        Respectfully, I must disagree. I used to jump right into the “righteous indignation” line too, and felt the Bible justified my dishonourable behavior. With time (maturity?) I have learned there is no need for such an approach. I am convinced about the fact that the tendency of so many Christians to feel they need to slay their brethren is keeping many from joining the faith and never moves a fellow believer from their error. Justify it if you want to, but I will have no part in any strategy that keeps people from the Kingdom when a far more morally admirable, and no less effective, strategy is waiting in the wings.

      • john says:

        Respectfully i would have to say your ” righteous indignation routine” was YOUR issue and NOT applicable to EVERYONE else NOR to ME. Your claim that your technique is ” more effective” is proven WRONG since Jesus spoke more of hell than all the rest of bible authors combine, AND spoke the words to the Pharisees and the other wicked that condemns them. And the hell fire and damnation sermons of the past 100 years from Wesley to Finny brought countless hundreds of thousands into the kingdom. Almost every other thing Jesus said was a correction or a judgement on wicked men.
        It’s typical that a baby christian thinks that a lesson or chastisement that they needed must be applicable to everyone else and that just because they were all screwed up … everyone else must be too… Not true. Your SELF righteous indignation came from your flesh, and was not the work of God who IS Holy and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb_1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. And THAT’S why God had to deal with you then, because as a carnal minded baby christian your flesh was all out of control. You missed the rest of the lesson apparently. Your wonderful new technique is NOT ALL there is to God. The scriptures tells me there IS a place for ” righteous indignation” against evil men who hold the truth in unrighteousness. And if the Holy Spirit tells me to be a MAN and talk like a MAN and act like a MAN as one who has walked with him these 50 years … I will , and you should not condemn others for what you are not able nor prepared to do. I can just imagine Elijah telling those 400 priests of Baal: Could you please not teach and preach your false doctrines cause my God might get mad at you ! ..Yeah right . Instead he took up the sword and slew them all .
        Its that sort of limp wrist, weak and wimpy christian witness that’s brought the church to such a filthy and degraded level where anyone can say they are one cause its all good. Jesus said > Mat_10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Now if HE can say that, who are YOU to say otherwise? ( i suggest you read the whole thing and study the CONTEXT) The over weaning imagery of warfare in scriptures about our battles and that towards godless men as well as fallen angels is found throughout the text and words of the Gospel. Yet liberal emergent church cultists want you to ignore all that for their effeminate form of Christianity. The TRUTH is a two edged sword! It CUTS both ways.
        Finally , let me say that “your way” is NOT more effective , its just compromise to the liberal agenda and a respect of persons based in wanting people to like you. And your lovely little comment above was seething with pent up self righteousness (only NOW you are passive aggressive) and an attempt to marginalize me as per the website i gave that doubtlessly you did NOT read. because i won’t go with the wide way, group consensus on how we as Christians ought to act. Give your self another 20 years and maybe you will learn the full balance of spiritual maturity instead of demanding to be a “master” so soon. James 3: 1 You won’t be changing my mind with your comments . Maybe i can plant a few seeds of truth in yours.

      • razorswift says:

        John,

        Are you on your soapbox again correcting all of us maladjusted baby Christians? 😉

      • john says:

        No … i am standing on the solid rock of Jesus Christ trying to share a little of my experience of 50 years as a Christian. And we LIVE in a maladjusted time where Christianity has far more maladjusted doctrines and more maladjusted followers than ever before. It’s called (Jesus called it) the great deception. And the great falling away. If a man wants to try and take a stand i have every right and in fact a duty before God as one CALLED to teach to show them the errors in their ways. EVERY “christian” starts as a carnal minded babe. and only by a willingness to go to the cross of Christ and die to self and learn the lessons of Christ will you grow up into spiritual maturity. its a process and NOT conferred on a man just because they went to a seminary or because they learn a lesson about self righteousness vs a godly righteousness indignation against wicked wolves.
        Pro_15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.
        Pro_27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
        Pro_27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
        Pro_9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
        I offered that man some wisdom and spiritual insight into his own life and walk as well as some important facts about a balanced and godly perspective on how GOD deals with men through a Godly man. Let him decide which of those proverbs apply to him. It is my CALLING it is my very LIFE and i can do no other … 1Pe_4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
        Surely you are aware that we are NOT all spiritually of an equal stature and spiritual maturity even though we are all as loved and of worth to the Lord? Why is it that I find so many who being saved 5 and 10 years think they are the end all and be all of Christian maturity when i KNOW that even after my 50 years there is much more that is needful? Do they think they can just claim it and therefore have the right to be a master? (James 3: 1) There is a serious lack of respect from young Christians towards those who are their elders. and few are as elder as i am . 1Ti_5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; 1Pe_5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
        I guess i am just amazed at how people can be saying one thing while doing the opposite. OR , how they can total miss everything i said and pick one little pet peeve out and make a issue where they think they can impinge me and my walk with God while ignoring the preface and conclusions. I was a christian before many here were born, shall i be ashamed of that? shall i hide it lest i offend the carnal ones who seek the high seat? Its part of the paradigm indoctrination of the new age post modern antichrist church that the patristic are to be mocked, ridiculed and marginalized. Only then can liberalized weak and undefined new age Christianity have sway. Did you also not read the web site or watch the video i i gave you on didactic vs dialectical and the emergent church agenda??
        Originally My post was simply about the need to not lose sight of the importance of upholding sound doctrine and a balance between evangelism and the feeding and disciple shipping of the saved. Most Christians ARE maladjusted by virtue of the maladjusted paradigm they learned from the church and the culture. That i have, in part, … escaped that is because i have ever and always committed myself to NOT being part of the church paradigm nor the cultural paradigm, but sought only to be educated by the scriptures apart from men’s opinions and doctrines. And That is why i have a sound faith in all salvific doctrine and parameters. I do not neglect men’s teachings, but act like a good Berean to see if they are true. And i am always ready to correct myself if any man can show me scriptures that reveal where i am wrong. This ought to be all Christians attitude. Isa 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

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